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Harrow, Kenneth

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Au Burkina Faso, les étudiants, « trahis » par les élites politiques, placent leurs espoirs dans la junte Par Sophie Douce (Ouagadougou, correspondance). Publié hier à 19h00, mis à jour à ...


i'm afraid many won't see this, or all of it. it is very interesting re our recent discussion. moses's point about african people wanting to find their own way without subservience to received western democracies is echoed somewhat here in students' statements. however, it is not in the mode of let's try new military dictatorships or autocracies, but new ways to frame our own democracy.
the arguments turn on the people's disappointment--not with western or french interventions per se, but with their failures to end the fighting and dangers up north that have destroyed the lives of vast numbers of burkinabe people. the govt failed to deliver security. if this new army group can do it, all the better. that's the bottom line.
if you all want me to copy and paste this piece, i can do so. but it is in french, so the value lies in what french readers might get from it.
ken

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Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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“the arguments turn on the people's 
disappointment--not with western or 
french interventions per se 
………”



Ken, your reading and translation does not
 correlate with mine.
The title of the article summarizes
 the content accurately, namely,
that the students,” betrayed “by the political 
elite, put their trust in the military junta.
That is the literal translation.
No embellishments, ifs and buts as
you imply. 


My favorite economist  Joan Robinson once
quipped that:

The purpose of studying
 economics is not to acquire a set 
of ready-made answers to economic
 questions, but to learn how to 
avoid being deceived by 
economists.”

We can say the same thing about
French, no doubt.


Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Prof. of History/African Studies, CCSU
africahistory.net; vimeo.com/ gloriaemeagwali
Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association


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Correction 
Just spotted a crazy  verb.
The top sentence should read:

“Your reading/translation does not 
correlate with mine …….”


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Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association

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Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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Jan 30, 2022, 6:22:02 PM1/30/22
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Ken

This article that I am 
commenting on, is about the
 responses of students of Burkina
 Faso, to the recent coup,  and 
your misrepresentation 
of it, but you are on and on
about the French, and their 
(unsanitary) baguettes (that they 
walk down the street 
with fully exposed ) and so on. 
Today is military coup assessment 
day, for me.

I guess the best way for me to 
contribute right now is silence, 
since you are responding 
robotically 🤖.

 By the way I responded 
to that earlier article that you are 
repeating.



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africahistory.net; vimeo.com/ gloriaemeagwali
Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association


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i wonder, gloria, how we could make our discussionn/debate? more fruitful. i remember once posting my position on france, of today, of yesterday. i remarked on the aspects of french involvement, and colonialism, that i found bad, and those i found good.
there was a lot in my head: lived in francophone africa for a good number of years, loved my time in cameroon and then especially senegal that was so important to my life.,
i was much more critical of the french during those years, than positive. theirs was a dominant presence that faded with time, so that by now their influence may be seen in some ways, but has been supplanted in myriad ways by other forces. i mean simple things like shops and cars and the like, that had been french own and were no longer.
yet there are other things that are very central to people's lives, that i would not criticize, or even praise. i think of the vibrant newspaper tradition in senegal, it is pretty amazing; and in is in french. the bakeries are pretty spectacular, the bread like baguettes are fresh and wonderful; the pastries are wonderful.
so is the literature and film, much of it influenced by the french. the ties of people's lives often show the intertwining of french and senegalese.
at the university it is an undue influence, at least from the vantage p[oint of someone in the english dept, where, when i was there, ph d's in anglophone literature had to be written and defended in french. when i asked why, challenged it, i was told two things: the people who would read it were francophone, and to change it, you had to have the minister of education change it. and the french influence in the govt was too strong.

i can't judge how that undue influence still works. i know the wonderful things the french cultural center did, much of it for senegalese artists. i also know their disregard for the collection of african films they had, and apparently dumped when they no longer wanted to keep it.

at least in the post-independence period i would say there were good and bad sides, and i wouldn't want to judge without hearing both.
that goes for all these foreign incursions, british, chinese, american. i believe some were much worse than others. but without the concrete facts/details, it would be hard to make an easy claim.
i do have a bottom line on this. i think i would call it an irele point of view versus a boris diop point of view. boris would favor those engagements that enhance the indigenous language and culture over any foreign ones, and is a champion of supporting african language writing. irele held that the alienations from oneself and one's culture were to be used productively for self refashioning.
given a choice, i would favor boris's engagement.
but one isn't usually given a choice.
ken

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Linking my criticism 
to  previous debates on French
 colonialism and African
agency is a fudge, at this point 
in time. That is not to say that
I repudiate my previous views,
but they simply do not correlate
 with the ongoing narrative.
This is another red herring.



Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Prof. of History/African Studies, CCSU
africahistory.net; vimeo.com/ gloriaemeagwali
Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association


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i don't see where i implied anything different from what it says. the political elite in question is not the french. they go on to doubt the policies of kabore's govt and the failure to end the violence w the french.
you want to put the french in the center of the story, in all cases. i've written before about the ambivalence. we aren't in the midst of yesterday's colonial world, though some want to place all the blame for problems in africa on the old colonialists.
i've written before that excludes african agency. sorry if i am repeating my old arguments. need to move on to new ways to see this.
ken

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Cornelius Hamelberg

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Jan 30, 2022, 6:22:03 PM1/30/22
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 Ladies First :

 Gloria & Kenneth in Excelcis,

Hopefully, this article  by the First Man should interest you two too:


Otherwise , the sequnece is painfully familiar and  exactly as Dr. Sikuru Emiola characterised it  -
 in the case of Ghana in the first years of Jerry Rawlings' tenure, the IMF had him simultaneously
by the jugular and by the balls with their structural adjustment program which demanded that he
first of all devalue the  cedi, and secondly, if I remember correctly, that he take away subsidies to 
education and agriculture at which point he had no choice but to reluctantly nod in compliance 
failing which it's anybody's guess what would have happened next. A few months after biting 
the bullet, students at Legon had to start preparing their own meals  - gone were the good old
 days at Mensah Sarbah Hall ( in our case, me & Better Half it used to be  lunch at the Workers 
Canteen where two plates loaded with delicious  Kenkey and Contumley cost a mere cedi)...
the end of subsidies to education resulted in overcrowding - a room meant for two people was 
eventually being shared by four or more...

Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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Jan 31, 2022, 5:18:44 PM1/31/22
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There was no escape from 
the IMF in that era and
Rawlings was caught.
Civilian  governments fared no
better. In fact it was China, 
a new kid on the block then, 
that pulled some African 
countries from the jaws of the
usurious IMF,  with offers of 
zero or low rates. To properly 
analyze China- Africa policy
one has to look at the big
picture, and I am not giving
China an unconditional 
pass, either. Policies have 
modified, and the good,
bad and the ugly have set
in. But in the early days,
China was a life saver from
the draconian twins, the
IMF and the World Bank.
This is now a slightly different
era of the Russian bear,
the Chinese dragon, and
the American eagle- or
is it a fox? Best of luck to
the three daredevils,
Guinea, Burkina Faso
and Mali.  





Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Prof. of History/African Studies, CCSU
africahistory.net; vimeo.com/ gloriaemeagwali
Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association

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Cornelius Hamelberg

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Jan 31, 2022, 5:18:54 PM1/31/22
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 Re - “Best of luck to

the three daredevils,

Guinea, Burkina Faso

and Mali.”

Amen to your prayers, although kicking against the teeth of French Assimilation Policy by outlawing the French Language in Mali is going to be a little steep and would be likewise even in Haiti, not to mention the petty cultural and nouveau riche bourgeoisie uncle toms in successful assimilé countries such as Senghor’s Senegal. It was bad enough back in Sierra Leone where we had first a Belgian (A.W. Rogers) and then Mr. White (a French Canadian) as our French teachers. Rogers didn’t like me because I made life impossible for him whilst our class studied André Gide’s La Porte étroite for our “A” levels…. But that’s another story...

This should interest you: US Secretary of State holds virtual talks with two African leaders (from Pan African Television)

As to your differences with Ken in reading and comprehension when it comes to French – the second most dominant language in post-colonial Africa, similar differences occur with regard to various translations of the Hebrew Bible often quoted in the New Testament (so called) – and the various translations of Aramaic, the language that Jesus spoke. It’s a problem being taken up by one Dr. Eli Lizorkin-Eyzenberg and in “ Understanding the Difficult words of Jesus

When God or God’s ambassadors speak we must do our best to understand Him (or Her) and them...

Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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Jan 31, 2022, 5:18:54 PM1/31/22
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I am not aware of Mali and others outlawing French. I know that they have been speaking in 
Malinke etc and local languages  to communicate with the rural areas and the majority population.

The region is Malinkephone and Mossiphone largely so this is a commonsense policy that
does not exclude a huge chunk of the population. 

As for the Biblical texts, well it is not a translation issue . It is a matter of
human rights violations and contradictory values. But this is from a humanist
standpoint.  Believers will think differently.

Thanks for your comment.

Professor Gloria Emeagwali
History Department, Central Connecticut State University
www.africahistory.net
Gloria Emeagwali's Documentaries
2014 Distinguished Research Excellence Award in African Studies
 University of Texas at Austin
2019   Distinguished Africanist Award                   
New York African Studies Association
 


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Jan 31, 2022, 5:19:03 PM1/31/22
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 Re - You “not aware of Mali and others outlawing French.”

Thank God, for this! Otherwise I would have continued spreading the fake news, all based on this item from our Pan- African Brother from Ghana: Mali cuts ties with France, orders French troops to exit Mali, ends use of French language, to which he added, “It’s now official!”

The “ends use of French Language” the headline did not mean to proclaim that French had merely been degraded from official language to unofficial language. And how impractical. (I’m thinking of official correspondence, not the treasure libraries in Timbuktu.

I don’t think that the French Government and the Academie Francaise are going to forgive Mali’s current military leaders for this travesty/insubordination; if anything, the French Government is going to do their best to replace Mali’s current military leadership by a new leadership that will restore French as the official language of Mali.

Whatever next! Should those upstart military men have their way they’ll probably want to inspire the rest of Francophone Africa & the Caribbean to move their Central Bank from Paris to Mansa Musa’s new economic headquarters in the Bamako of the modern Mali Empire and to stop paying taxes and protection money to France…

Imagine if some past Military leader of Nigeria ( e.g. Buhari, Babangida, Abacha, Obasanjo) had decreed that Her Majesty’s English should cease to be the Official Language of the Federal Republic of Nigeria! There would have been no deafening silence from Nigeria’s Anglophile elites , and needless to add that, that Military ruler’s despotism would have been short-lived as Nigeria's Anglophiles would have roared into action in cahoots with other faithful members of The Commonwealth ( The new name for the former British Empire), the Ministry of International Cooperation ( the latest name for the Old Colonial Office) , the British Council, the BBC, London Review of Books, Oxford, Cambridge, and other cultural organisations of that kind, would have worked day and night to bring that regime down as speedily as possible.

By the way, I notice that you are becoming more and more radical. Some would say more hostile, more aggressive...some would say more progressive...

Emeagwali, Gloria (History)

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Feb 1, 2022, 5:28:21 AM2/1/22
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Cornelius the Wise,
I walked out of Christianity as a nineteen year old and read fifty three 
volumes of Marx (Progress publishers) and a ton of  other
 stuff and research findings by the 80s. Forty years later you expect me to be 
what? A wimp? An ignoramus praising colonizers and colonial
hegemony  hook, line and sinker? My experiences in “paradise” 
have actually confirmed  some of my wildest speculations. BTW I am not referring 
to Gurna’s “Paradise.” 

African countries must cherish their Indigenous languages.
Biko’s idea of generous funding for multiple languages is on point.
West Africa should learn from East Africa,  where Swahili has 
priority. South Africa has eleven official languages. 
There is nothing sacrosanct about French, English or Portuguese etc.
 They are simply media of communication, and by no means the 
only avenues for such. That the new leaders of these countries 
are enriching and empowering their citizens, linguistically,
is great news. 








Professor Gloria Emeagwali
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africahistory.net; vimeo.com/ gloriaemeagwali
Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association


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